I will look again. I have studied this and eveb removed the css and it still did not bwork very well. It sees some of the css, and not others. Like in a paragraph the text will be set to red and the css only sees 1 line in the paragraph. The css editor sees it ok, its when saving. The only thing i can maybe see is when I added the new topic page and started it, I made a mistake and deleted it, then maned it virtually the same mane. Maye when deleted it just saves weird. i would think it would just read the css completely. I have also tore apart the code and do not find any mistakes. Kind of mind boggling. I will continue to work on it. I have 100 pages that I have to convert from old .asp pages to the topic pages in NOP. Kinda why i wanted the css to work. I will work on it more this week.